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On this episode, Sia chats with Wharton graduate Jordan Williams about his book Breaking The System and the two discuss learning from failures and life's obstacles. Tune in because this episode is OPTIMISTIC and insightful!

Hosted by Sia-Linda Lebbie. Produced by Sia-Linda Lebbie and Evie Artis, and edited by Megan Li and Sia-Linda Lebbie. Outreach assisted by Aba Sankah.  Intro, outro, and ambiance music by Kannan Freyaldenhoven: @kj_frey. Podcast art by Jordan Semprevivo: @jsemp_art. Follow The Trillest on Instagram: @thetrillest_podcast. Follow Sia on Instagram: @lindalebbie.

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