Arkansas had been on a bit of a drought, you could say. The Razorbacks went home empty from last year's Penn Relays, and they were on the verge of doing the same this year. That's a dry spell if I've ever heard one, for the team that's won more NCAA track titles than anyone ever -- 41 -- and that fact is emblazoned across the front of the Arkansas media guide.
So when it came down to the 4xMile, the Hogs were hungry. They had won the event 18 times going in, but faced a tough test from defending champion Michigan, which had set the collegiate record at last year's relays. Suprisingly, upstart Ioan (who has never won a relays title) held the lead nearly the entire way followed closely by Arkansas and Michigan.
Razorbacks' anchor Josphat Boit pulled out to a small lead in the final turn and coasted to the win in 16:14.92. Iona finished half a second back at 16:15.40 then Michigan at 16:16.03.
Elsewhere Texas blazed to a first-place finish in the college men's 4x100 in 39.66 seconds. That time would have been the fastest in the qualifying heats yesterday and would have gotten the Longhorns to the Championship event. Instead Texas missed the marquee race with a heat time of 40.77 yesterday and ended up in the second-tier race.
Louisiana State took the real title in the 4x100 at 39.22 in thrilling fashion. Texas A&M, who posted the fastest qualifying time dropped the baton on the first leg and did not finish.
Closer to home The Penn women finished fifth in the women's 4x800 championship, a respectable showing considering the field. Texas just edged out Tennessee for the title, finishing in 8:31.60 with the Volunteers coming in 8:31.83. Penn's time was 8:40.36 Princeton won the second-tier race in 8:54.92
In the high school boys 4x400 relay, Simon Gratz of Philadelphia blew away everyone in the Public League, and qualified for the Championship of America this afternoon. That title race has recently been dominated by Jamaican teams, and just on other qualifier, DeMatha Catholic of Maryland, is from the U.S.
Remember last year when the USA dropped the baton to let the Jamaicans win the 4x400-meter USA vs. the World relay?
Wallace Spearmon doesn't.
At yesterday's USA vs. the World press conference, the first-year pro who will run in today's 4x400, was asked if the team was blocking last year out of its collective memory.
"I actually didn't know about it until you just said it," the former Arkansas standout said.
But he won't have to look far to find someone who would remember.
Spearmon will anchor the relay for USA Red, which will be led by Tyree Washington who tripped and lost the baton in the rain last year.
He'll have a chance for redemption at 6 p.m.
Now here's a good way to wake people up on a Saturday morning: get four Jamaican teams in a high school 4x400m relay. Three such races just took places right in a row.
In the first race, St. Jago came in first in 3 minutes, 14.36 seconds, including a botched handoff between third-leg runner Sheldon Wilkinson and anchor Jerome Robinson that probably cost a good half-second. Wearing the green and gold colors of the Jamaican flag, St. Jago brought the house down with its come-from-behind win. Robinson just blew everyone away in the final leg.
The second race features Jamaican champions Camperdown and powerhouse Holmwood Tech. But it was an American school -- and one well known to Penn fans, no less -- that stole the show. DeMatha Catholic of Hyattsville, Md., alma mater of Steve Danley, pulled out the victory in 3:14.79, including a 46.5 second anchor leg from Jeremy Samuels. Camperdown finished second in 3:15.28 and Holmwood Tech was third in 3:16.42.
Even with the loss, the Jamaican flags are out in abundance, especially in the east end of the stands. The "whoop" corner at the last turn has been particularly busy with all these comebacks.
And here's a good result for Jamaica: a sweep of the top four spots in race 219. Kingston College blew everyone away with a time of 3:11.85, Mannings was second in 3:15.92, Ardenne third in 3:18.62, and last year's champions, Wolmer's Boys', was fourth in 3:20.92.
It's the start of the final day of the 112th Penn Relays, and people are jamming into the stands early to see all the big races. The highlights will come from the USA vs. the World relays, in which America's best runners -- including superstars Justin Gatlin and Lauryn Williams -- will run against the best from other nations.
Jamaica will get all the attention of course, especially because world record holder Asafa Powell is racing in the 100m sprint. That race is scheduled to start at 3:45, and you might just hear it in the high rises when the crowd roars Powell on. Unfortunately, he won't run against Gatlin, his biggest rival, because Powell won't be in any relays and Gatlin won't be in the sprint.
As for a dark horse, look out for Great Britain in the 4x100-meter relay because of Mark Lewis-Francis. He was a member of the team that won the gold medal at the 2004 Olympics in a thrilling finish over the United States.
Other big races today include the college men's 4x100m, 4x200m and 4x400m Championships of America, and both the male and female 4x800 Championships. The high school boys 4x100m championship might as well be renamed the Championship of Jamaica, because six of the eight teams in the field are Jamaican.
Finally, the first race of the day was the men's Olympic Development 10km racewalk. Matt Boyles of Miami Valley Track Club came out on top in 42 minutes, 37.06 seconds. It took place at 7 a.m. this morning, and no, I wasn't awake yet at that hour.
At first, Penn men's track Charlie Powell was pretty vanilla when asked for his thoughts on the Heps 4x400-meter relay.
"We knew we had a chance at it and we knew we were going to be one of the top three teams," he said. "We always go in there trying to win."
Then he was asked whether there's a rivalry between Penn and Princeton in track the way there is in other sports.
"Is there a rivalry between the Yankees and Boston Red Sox?" he replied. "It's the most unbelievable rivalry in track and field."
While I suspect the Southeastern Conference delegation at Franklin Field might have something to say on the subject, Powell's answer is all the proof you need of how much this race mattered.
Penn's Sam Shepard got a big cheer from the crowd as he barely beat out Princeton's Richard Stewart down the stretch in the college men's Heptagonal 4x400. Penn's time of 3:12.55 was four seconds off the pace of qualifying for tomorrow's Championship of America.
The Quakers held the advantage most of the way, building a three second lead on a strong second leg. Princeton made it interesting, pulling neck-and-neck with about 50 meters to go, but Penn held on. The Tigers finished 3:12.74 followed by Cornell.
Louisiana State posted the fastest qualifying time on the day at 3:04.78 followed by Texas A&M and Abilene Christian. The marquee race will be 5:25 p.m. tomorrow.
While I was down on the infield watching the hurdles, the Masters 100-meter races were going on. They always get the crowd's attention, not least because there are a lot of people the same age in the crowd.
When I got back to press row, I looked at the finishing times, and found some interesting things.
-- All nine of the 45-year-olds had a better time than at least one 40-year-old.
-- 50-year-old winner Oscar Peyton beat 45-year-old winner Derek Holloway's time, 11.39 seconds to 11.42 seconds.
-- The first, second, and third-place 60-year-olds would have beaten third-place 55-year-old Jerry Scriver.
-- 55-year-old winner Bill Collins of Houston Elite set a new world record for his age group with a time of 11.50 seconds, beating the previous record of 11.57 seconds. That time would have won him second place in both the 45-year-old and 50-year-old races.
-- Five 60-year-olds and two 65-year-olds beat the time of last-place 40-year-old Michael Burke.
-- Both of those 65-year-olds, Alby Williams and Bobby Whilden, beat the last-place finishers in the 45-year-old and 50-year-old races as well.
-- Williams would have finished fifth in the 60-year-old race, which had eight runners in its field.
The biggest Masteres race of them all, the 75-year-old-and-up 100m race, comes tomorrow.
Many of you know sophomore David Whitehurst as a starting guard on the Penn basketball team, but once the spring season starts he's arguably Penn's best hurdler. In fact, Penn was the only school he applied to that would let him do both sports.
Whitehurst was out on the Franklin Field track today, competing in the shuttle hurdles and the 110m hurdles. In the latter, he fourth in his heat with a time of 14.26 seconds, his best time this season by three-tenths of a second. Whitehurst said he was "not satisfied, [but] okay with" his performance, which was 13th-best overall.
Of course, in his two other races this year, he didn't face the level of competition he did today. ACC champion Dominic Berger of Maryland was also in Whitehurst's heat, and only came in second.
As for the shuttle hurdles, if you've never seen it before (and I confess to having not before today), it's quite interesting. It's a kind of hurdles relay, but without a baton. Each team gets two lanes, with two people at each end of the track. The first runner runs from the east to the west end of the track, and once he (or she, in the women's races) gets a certain length down the track, the second runner takes off the other way in the next lane over. The third runner goes in the same lane as the first, and the last runner goes in the same lane as the second.
It's not all that confusing in person -- that is, until people start crashing into hurdles. Which is exactly what happens in Penn's heat. The Quakers as well as Penn State and Clemson all had runners fall at some point, which led to a nearly 10-second gap between heat winners Tennessee (55.87 seconds) and the last-place Tigers (1:05.18, and subsequently disqualified). Penn finished fourth in the heat with a time of 1:03.40. Because of Clemson's disqualification, that put the Quakers in last place.
For his part, Whitehurst was too focused on running his leg to pay attention to all the commotion.
"I have no clue what happened," he said. "I was getting my block set and I heard a whole lot of oohs and aahs"
It's a good day to be a Longhorn today at Franklin Field. The burnt orange edged out Arkansas and Michigan, two teams that have had a stranglehold recently on the men's DMR. It was Texas first win in the event, although the time of 9:33.10 wasn't astonishing.
Not suprising, there were really only two teams that led most of the way, Michigan (champions in 2005 and 2003) and Arkansas (winners in 2004 and 2002) plus Villanova (champs in 2001) were out front early. Then Texas anchor Leo Manzano jumped in front with a burst of speed in the final 250 meters. It looked a lot like the Villanova women's victory yesterday in the same race.
The Texas four also got quite the ovation as they carried the Lone Star flag on their victory lap.
Head count Today's announced attendace was 39,943, the largest Friday crowd in the history of the Relays. Combined with yesterday's total, 64,423 fans have been a part of this year's carnival.
The Texas women blazed to the college 4x100-meter relay title in 43 seconds flat, the third fastest time ever run at the Penn Relays. The Longhorns edged defending champ South Carolina, meaning the Gamecocks will not be able to defend their record four relays titles from a year ago. South Carolina finished third, six tenths off the pace.
Elsewhere, the Texas men, one of the favorites in the 4x100 failed to qualify for tomorrow's championship race. Texas A&M had the fastest time in today's heats at 39.90. Oregon, making its first appearance at the Relays in several years, slid into the final spot at 40.73. Penn finished 41st overall at 42.40.
If you read Wednesday's DP (and of course you did, right?), you saw the letters to the editor from third grade students at the Penn Alexander School. While I was quite impressed by their writing skills, the school's track team didn't do so well in its 4x100 relay just now. It finished last in its heat with a time of 56.51 seconds, almost six seconds behind heat winners H.R. Edmunds.
I know there are many people in the Penn community who spend time at Penn Alexander, and I have the greatest respect for the work you do in the classroom. Hopefully, next year's Penn Alexander team will have done a little more work on the track as well.
For the second day in a row, the first race of the day started before the scheduled time. That's a good thing if you're helping coordinate the Penn Relays schedule, because things always get delayed at some point. If you're a fan (or a reporter), though, it's not as good.
I got here just in time, though, to see Long Island University's Bryan Steele cross the finish line in the first men's 400-meter hurdles heat. His time was 49.98 seconds.
Just as Thursday is dominated by women's races, Friday is primarily men's races. So we'll see lots of high school boys' relays after this event, and the men's 100m sprints as well. Yes, that includes the Masters races, and the ever popular sprint for competitors aged 65 and younger at heart.
But there are also quite a few women's races today, including the college 4x100m Championship of America. Stay tuned for more updates. And like yesterday, the weather is just perfect for running and watching runners, so the best way to take in all the action (other than reading the Buzz, of course) is to come down to Franklin Field and watch it all in person.
A lot of laps have already been run at Franklin Field so far, but there's a lot to come. Here are five things worth noting:
1 - Jamaica still dominates. Led by Holmwood Tech, the ladies in yellow and green have been tearing it up on day one. Tomorrow's 4x100 and 4x400 high school girls championships should have plenty of excitement.
2 - South Carolina's hanging in. The Gamecocks' women won a record four relays last year and are looking to defend their titles. So far they've made it through to the championship in two. A stiff field in the 4x400 was almost too much, though. South Carolina took the eighth and final qualifying spot with a time of 3:35.9. Miami's 3:31.1 was the best time on the track.
3 - In the stands. The crowd so far has been impressive, not suprising considering the weather. The announced day-one total was 24,480.
4 - Old rivals meet. Traditional football sparring partners Michigan and Ohio State will each be competing in a handful of events this year, starting with tonight's men's steeplechase. Brian Olinger of the Buckeyes took second in the championship event with a time of 8:45.05, six seconds behind Nicodemus Naimadu of Abilene Christian. Michigan's Andrew Bauer won the second-tier race, finishing in 9:02.37.
5 - Fashion sense? The new trend, I suppose, is to wear one high sock. Dozens of high school girls teams have been doing it so far. Some on the left leg, others go with the right. Why? I have no idea.
For the second straight year, West Catholic took the Catholic League girls' 4x400-meter race. While the Burrs don't have Nicole Leach this year, they nonetheless beat the rest of the field by more than ten seconds, finishing in 3:51.75.
I admit to being a fan of the Catholic and Public League races, because a lot of the local fans went to those schools. So they all have their own little cheering sections, and after last year's stellar performance, West Catholic gets just about everyone's attention.
Back at the college level, Villanova edged out Stanford for the women's Distance Medley Relay title. The Wildcats, which had a pretty sizeable cheering section on the other side of the track from where I'm sitting, finished in 10 minutes, 57.03 seconds, with the Cardinal crossing the line in 10:58.72. Penn finished fifth, behind Ivy League rivals Brown and Princeton. The Quakers were in third for quite a while, but anchor Stacy Kim faded in the last half of the final lap.
Villanova has a long history of success in the women's DMR, having won it nine times from 1984 to 1997. But until now, that was the last time they got to hoist the big circular plaque that goes to the DMR winner.
More to come on Penn's day is on the main site.
3:45 p.m.: The best way to get the Jamaican fans at Franklin Field up and on their feet is to announce that Holmwood Tech is in a race. This time, it's the girls' high school 4x400m relay, and the public address anonouncer described this heat as "one of the first really fast races of the day."
Heading into the third lap, it's a duel between Holmwood and Eleanor Roosevelt from Greenbelt, Maryland, but Holmwood's Schillone Calvert broke it open and now has a huge lead heading into the home stretch. As anchor Sanita Sutherland heads for the finish, all the Jamaican fans are up, and she's going to set the best time of the day by a good 15 seconds -- 3:36.09, with a 52.50 second final lap. That's the third-best high school girls 4x400 time in Penn Relays history, and the fastest ever in a heat race.
2:58 p.m.: There's one glaring omission from the long list of high school teams at this year's Relays: Long Beach Poly. The California powerhouse has become as well-known at Franklin Field for its success on the track as for the signature high socks the school's runners wear.
Penn Relays Carnival Executive Director Dave Johnson told me that Long Beach Poly "never entered." Which strikes me as odd, but maybe they finally ran out of money for the cross-country trip.
1:24 p.m.: Penn's 4x100 team didn't do well at all, finishing last in its heat with a time of 48.88 seconds. Miami of Florida won the heat, which is not surprising; other teams in the heat included Pittsburgh, Georgia State, Indiana, Kent State, Slippery Rock, Yale and Army.
Sophomore Jesse Carlin pulled no punches about the performance, admitting bluntly that "every handoff got messed up." She added that her team's finish was a good two seconds off its normal time. Carlin ran the anchor leg, following Brittany Middlebrook, Shaunee Morgan and Jessica Ehrlich.
Jeff Shafer notes that Penn overall finish of 58th was worse than Princeton, Columbia and the Elis, and that the time would not have qualified for the high school girls Championship of America. It was 7/100ths of a second and one place better than Big 5 rival Temple, though
12:22 p.m.: There hasn't been an update for a while because the high school girls' 4x100m relay has been going on for quite a while now. There will be more to come soon, though, when we move to the college women's 4x100. For now, I'll note that Girls High -- the alma mater of former Penn president Judith Rodin -- won its heat in 49.81 seconds, though some of the other Philadelphia schools that have run so far have not done as well. Girls was the only city school in the Large Schools competition to win a heat.
And in a result for all the New Yorkers out there, John F. Kennedy High School (albeit from Silver Spring, Md.) beat LaGuardia of New York City in a heat, though neither won the heat. John F. Kennedy of the Bronx ran in the next heat and finished seventh.
There is a Liberty High, but it's from Bethlehem, Pa., not Newark, N.J.
10:57 a.m.: The full results from the college women's 400m hurdles have finally come through, and there are two Penn times to note: Dana McCurdy finished second in her heat in 1:00.05 (beat by a Penn State runner, sadly), which was 22nd overall; and Carolyn Auwaerter finished last in the final heat with a time of 1:03.06, which was an even 50th overall.
My Buzz colleagues Jeff Shafer and Zachary Levine have joined me on press row, as has DP track writer Sebastien Angel. They'll be checking in with their own anecdotes as well.
And finally, I'm glad to report that the crowd so far is pretty big for a Thursday morning. The consensus is 12-15,000 fans at the moment, and growing, of course.
10:13 a.m: In the high school girls' 400m hurdles, Sherene Pinnock, the Jamaican national champion, set a new Penn Relays record with a time of 56.90 seconds. Crystal Kantey, the Nike Outdoor national champion from Winslow, N.J., was second to Pinnock in their heat in 1:00.05.
In the next heat, Nicole Saunders beat Kantey's time, winning the heat in 59.65 seconds.
9:54 a.m.: Good morning from trackside at Franklin Field, where the weather is absolutely gorgeous. Today's races are already underway -- a few minutes early, in fact, as they were supposed to start at 10 a.m. As I type, the women's 400-meter hurdles heats are going on. Dominique Darden of the University of Miami won the first race of the day with a time of 55.60 seconds.
We'll be bringing you live coverage of all three days of the Relays here at the Buzz, so keep checking back for updates on all the big races. Of course, we'll pay special attention to Penn's teams, and we'll be interviewing coaches and athletes as soon as their events are over.
Having said all that, the best way to experience the Relays is to come down to Franklin Field yourself. It's free for Penn students today and tomorrow, and Saturday's USA vs. the World is worth spending money to see. So to all you sunbathers on College Green and out by the high rises, bring your blankets and books down to 33rd Street for a few days instead.
I'll be back later with more updates.
New Penn coach Glen Miller got off to a good start in my book at his introductory press conference.
The first thing he said, wearing his appropriately-colored tie was, "Red and blue will be just fine. It's a step up from brown."
When it comes to basketball, red and blue is indeed better when it comes to ties and uniforms.
This is obviously way better than this.
However, I think I speak for most people when I say Miller should keep the red and blue to his shirts and ties. A dark blue suit is fine but I don't think anyone wants to see this.
We'll have to wait and see if Miller decides to change his style at Penn.
But as a side note, I think someone should convince Joe Scott to dress like Messrs. Pearl and Weber.
The potential expansion of the orange jacket club would give Penn fans just one more thing to taunt Princeton for.
A big knock on Fran Dunphy has been that he's been dominant inside the Ivy League but not as good against noncoference opponents. Many hope that Glenn Miller will have more success outside the Ancient Eight, particularly against major conference programs.
So I decided to take a look at how the two coaches have done against common nonconference teams. Here's what I found:
- The two have 14 common opponents (Army, Boston College, Canisius, Holy Cross, Lehigh, Navy, New Hampshire, Providence, Quinnipiac, Rhode Island, Rider, San Francisco, St. Mary's and Texas).
- Dunphy is 20-10 against these teams, meaning he won 67 percent of his games. Miller is 12-25 (44 percent).
- Miller is the only one to beat Providence, Rhode Island and Rider. Dunphy hasn't beaten a nonconference opponent that Miller hasn't also beaten.
- Over half of Dunphy's wins (12 to be exact) against these common opponents have come against Lehigh, a team that Miller has beaten twice in two tries. If you take away his 13 games against the Mountainhawks, his winning percentage is very similar to Miller's -- 47 percent.
So what does this all mean? Well, it seems to suggest that Miller could be better than Dunphy outside of the Ivy League. Dunphy has a better record against these common opponents, but his wins have all come against teams from minor conferences (New Hampshire, Holy Cross, Quinnipiac, Lehigh, Army and Navy). Miller has played the better teams in this group (Providence, Rhode Island, Holy Cross) more often and has actually beaten them. Let's not forget, that Miller did it with much less talented players.
Hopefully, Miller can lead Penn to the most important nonconference win of all -- an NCAA Tournament victory.
Today was Glen Miller's first day at the Palestra as the new Penn basketball coach. Just about everybody there was optimistic about the future of the former Brown headman.
Miller's predecessor, Fran Dunphy, was there chatting with players and supporters of the program. He was upbeat, and pulled Miller away from a gaggle of reporters for a hug and a brief exchange.
I thought Miller did a fine job of representing himself, although he's probably now the most soft-spoken of any of Penn's major-sport coaches. It was quite a bit different than Dunphy's introduction at Temple a few weeks back. Dunphy was relaxed and had his usual swagger to him. Miller seemed a bit cautious to on the Palestra's big stage for the first time. The crowd assembled was a little smaller, too.
Just about all of the team was there, including rising seniors Steve Danley, Ibrahim Jaaber and Mark Zoller. Miller recognized there was some "resistance" with his new players, but there will be plenty of time to work things out before the fall. Danley, for one, was just glad to see the search process come to an end.
Penn football coach Al Bagnoli, who was part of the committee that interviewed Miller, had good things to say about his new colleague.
"He's going to have his hands full following the success that Franny's had. But I think he's looking forward to it. He'll do well."
Bagnoli had some simple advice for Miller: "You've got to be you. You can't be Franny. Franny had his own style and people respected that style and what he stood for. You were hired on your own merits and you do the things you think you believe in and are important to you."
Bagnoli also said he gave Miller a few pointers of where most coaches live around here. Miller said he has a brother who lives in the area and that he was looking around the Villanova area, coincidentally that's where Dunphy makes his home. But, he said, the transition will be difficult for his family, especially his four kids who are in school. Miller has lived in the same house in Connecticut throughout his past three coaching jobs.
Now it's on to Philadelphia.
We've got audio from a whole slew of people who were at today's press conference introducing Glen Miller as the new Penn men's basketball coach. The files are all MP3s, so you can save them to your computer if you want.
You can hear the press conference itself by clicking here, and you can listen to interviews with individuals by clicking on their names below.
Some additional remarks from new Penn basketball coach Glen Miller
Former Penn basketball coach Fran Dunphy
Penn Athletic Director Steve Bilsky
Penn forward Steve Danley, one of three players who interviewed candidates for the job (the others were his classmates, Ibrahim Jaaber and Mark Zoller)
Penn assistant coach Matt Langel
Big 5 Executive Director and former Penn Athletic Director Paul Rubincam, who hired Dunphy 17 years ago
Former Penn player Vince Curran, now the color analyst for Quakers games on WXPN-FM
Penn football coach Al Bagnoli, who was a member of what Bilsky called the "interview committee" for a new coach
Enjoy.
Penn was not the only college sports program with a coaching search this year.
When Renssalaer Polytechnic Institute hockey coach Dan Fridgen resigned, the middle-of-the-road Division I program was forced to begin a search.
But there were some challenges. RPI is an engineering school with a strong commitment to academics located in Troy, N.Y., known as the "armpit of America," and it's a Division III school in everything else.
But RPI Athletic Director Ken Ralph showed some guts in two phone calls that he made.
His first choice for the job was Andy Murray, who had just been fired as coach of the NHL's Los Angeles Kings. Murray interviewed, was offered the job and turned it down.
When that failed, the Engineers went after 31-year-old Seth Appert, who was an up-and-coming assistant at Denver, which won national championships in 2004 and 2005. Appert was named coach last week.
A man who had just left his position at the sport's highest level and a rising star assistant at a major program. Sound familiar, Penn fans?
You're right. It doesn't.
Let's run through the candidates. Steve Donahue: no success at a low level of college basketball. Fran O'Hanlon: no success at a low level. Billy Taylor, some success at a low level. Dave Duke (as a head coach): no success at a low level.
Then there's our winner, Glen Miller. Miller produced a couple of winning seasons at Brown but no titles, and he was playing some of the worst competition in the nation, both in conference and out of conference.
Category 1, the man with experience at a higher level, and category 2, the assistant coach from the sexy program were nowhere to be found on that list.
Instead, Steve Bilsky and his team conducted its entire search on two of the lowest rungs of the college basketball ladder -- the Ivy League and the Patriot League.
Or maybe they didn't.
Maybe they talked with former big-time coaches and current assistants left and right.
They just aren't telling anybody.
The hush-hush search turned into a game of "I spy: Weightman Hall edition," as we the media could only speculate based on unnamed sources and who we saw entering or leaving what building.
It is my hope that now that the search has concluded, Bilsky and Co. will come out and tell the public a little bit about the search.
Lest the rest of us make the ridiculous assumption that you only considered guys from the Ivy League and the Patriot League.
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